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		<title>By: Francis Sedgemore</title>
		<link>http://sedgemore.com/2009/05/einstein-wrong-says-poly-politics-lecturer/comment-page-1/#comment-3700</link>
		<dc:creator>Francis Sedgemore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 12:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Plasma physicists are an odd, and, in many cases, reactionary bunch of social and scientific misfits. I should know, as I used to be one! 

This comment is of course completely hyperbolic, and therefore entirely in keeping with the spirit of the plasma physics community.

Wibble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plasma physicists are an odd, and, in many cases, reactionary bunch of social and scientific misfits. I should know, as I used to be one! </p>
<p>This comment is of course completely hyperbolic, and therefore entirely in keeping with the spirit of the plasma physics community.</p>
<p>Wibble.</p>
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		<title>By: UnicycleGuy</title>
		<link>http://sedgemore.com/2009/05/einstein-wrong-says-poly-politics-lecturer/comment-page-1/#comment-3699</link>
		<dc:creator>UnicycleGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 12:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It has recently been my misfortune to engage in a debate on Special and General Relativity with a plasma physicist who dismisses them with nonsensical and ill-informed arguments. He has no (and wants no) understanding of differential geometry, and apparently rejects the elegant physical ideas that the mathematics was invoked to formalise. His position is essentialy that spacetime is a mathematical abstraction and therefore physically meaningless. The fact that this model works as well as it does is dismissed as an irrelevant coincidence. Einstein was just wrong, OK!!! It is not clear why curved spacetime is any more meaningless than Newton&#039;s unexplained instantaneous attraction between masses, but Newton&#039;s gravity is just better, right!!!

Searching the web, I found many other devoted relativity-haters who seem also to go out of their way to diminish Einstein&#039;s involvement in these theories by asserting that he plagiarised his ideas or somesuch drivel, rather than standing on the shoulders of giants, as all good scientists do. They clearly do not understand how science works.

No evidence is ever produced in support of their positions - no worked out alternative theories; no confirmed counter-examples; no novel predictions that might be tested. Basically they are like creationists. I find it all rather sad and pathetic, really. 

They can&#039;t all be Alan Sokals, can they? I would really like to understand the motivation of relativity-haters in the sense that I understand the motivation of creationists. I suspect a profound confusion between relativity and (moral) relativism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has recently been my misfortune to engage in a debate on Special and General Relativity with a plasma physicist who dismisses them with nonsensical and ill-informed arguments. He has no (and wants no) understanding of differential geometry, and apparently rejects the elegant physical ideas that the mathematics was invoked to formalise. His position is essentialy that spacetime is a mathematical abstraction and therefore physically meaningless. The fact that this model works as well as it does is dismissed as an irrelevant coincidence. Einstein was just wrong, OK!!! It is not clear why curved spacetime is any more meaningless than Newton&#8217;s unexplained instantaneous attraction between masses, but Newton&#8217;s gravity is just better, right!!!</p>
<p>Searching the web, I found many other devoted relativity-haters who seem also to go out of their way to diminish Einstein&#8217;s involvement in these theories by asserting that he plagiarised his ideas or somesuch drivel, rather than standing on the shoulders of giants, as all good scientists do. They clearly do not understand how science works.</p>
<p>No evidence is ever produced in support of their positions &#8211; no worked out alternative theories; no confirmed counter-examples; no novel predictions that might be tested. Basically they are like creationists. I find it all rather sad and pathetic, really. </p>
<p>They can&#8217;t all be Alan Sokals, can they? I would really like to understand the motivation of relativity-haters in the sense that I understand the motivation of creationists. I suspect a profound confusion between relativity and (moral) relativism.</p>
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		<title>By: Francis Sedgemore</title>
		<link>http://sedgemore.com/2009/05/einstein-wrong-says-poly-politics-lecturer/comment-page-1/#comment-3682</link>
		<dc:creator>Francis Sedgemore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 11:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe Hayes will claim the paper as a parody after reflecting on the critical comment it has attracted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe Hayes will claim the paper as a parody after reflecting on the critical comment it has attracted.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Sang</title>
		<link>http://sedgemore.com/2009/05/einstein-wrong-says-poly-politics-lecturer/comment-page-1/#comment-3681</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Sang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 11:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a parody, surely? Is Alan Sokal on sabbatical?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a parody, surely? Is Alan Sokal on sabbatical?</p>
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		<title>By: Francis Sedgemore</title>
		<link>http://sedgemore.com/2009/05/einstein-wrong-says-poly-politics-lecturer/comment-page-1/#comment-3680</link>
		<dc:creator>Francis Sedgemore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 10:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If &lt;i&gt;&quot;that paper&quot;&lt;/i&gt; appears to be in support of Lorentzian relativity, it is because the author is grabbing at anything that gives credence to an ideological prejudice in favour of a preferred reference frame. It&#039;s certainly not based on any scientific understanding.

For those unfamiliar with the physics, I should point out that Albert Einstein&#039;s relativity is rooted in the ideas of Hendrik Lorentz, as incorporated by Einstein and the mathematician Hermann Minkowski. What distinguishes Einstein&#039;s theory of special relativity is the assumption that the speed of light is the same in all inertial frames of reference.

If one doesn&#039;t accept Einstein&#039;s special relativity, then the default fall-back position is an updated version of &lt;i&gt;Lorentz ether theory&lt;/i&gt;, which posits the existence of an &lt;i&gt;ether&lt;/i&gt; that pervades spacetime and establishes a preferred frame of reference. This introduces a whole new set of problems, and violates the Occam&#039;s razor principle which dictates that the simplest physical explanation is probably the best one. It also faces another problem: the failure thus far to observe any violation of the the so-called &lt;i&gt;Lorentz invariance&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If <i>&#8220;that paper&#8221;</i> appears to be in support of Lorentzian relativity, it is because the author is grabbing at anything that gives credence to an ideological prejudice in favour of a preferred reference frame. It&#8217;s certainly not based on any scientific understanding.</p>
<p>For those unfamiliar with the physics, I should point out that Albert Einstein&#8217;s relativity is rooted in the ideas of Hendrik Lorentz, as incorporated by Einstein and the mathematician Hermann Minkowski. What distinguishes Einstein&#8217;s theory of special relativity is the assumption that the speed of light is the same in all inertial frames of reference.</p>
<p>If one doesn&#8217;t accept Einstein&#8217;s special relativity, then the default fall-back position is an updated version of <i>Lorentz ether theory</i>, which posits the existence of an <i>ether</i> that pervades spacetime and establishes a preferred frame of reference. This introduces a whole new set of problems, and violates the Occam&#8217;s razor principle which dictates that the simplest physical explanation is probably the best one. It also faces another problem: the failure thus far to observe any violation of the the so-called <i>Lorentz invariance</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Dan Streetmentioner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Dan Streetmentioner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 11:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being thick as two short planks, I shamelessly read the paper. I&#039;ve read stuff from Polys, stuff from lowly patent clerks, and even stuff from a guy laying in the gutter, though he did say he was looking at the stars.

&quot;Seriously though, maybe future scientists will find flaws in either or both of Einstein’s theories of relativity.&quot; Yes of course, it might even be the case that the wunderkind of CERN are doing just that. I&#039;m surely not the only one that has noticed a subtle shift back to Lorentzian ideas. Think of the implications of a BEC universe, and BEC particles. Negative refractive index, and phase change at the speed of light.

 Back to that paper again. It appears to me, to be in support of Lorentzian relativity, and if I have minor criticisms it&#039;s that, one, it&#039;s a little too heavy on the arguments of Popper, and two it merely whets the appetite for more on the nature of the undoubted crisis in physics at the beginning of the twentieth century.

I&#039;m pretty sure that Yahweh will turn Peter Haye&#039;s light bulbs into candles, though even those shouldn&#039;t be allowed. What I would baulk at, would be if Yahweh went on his hols and left the universal t.v. zapper in the hands of Albert Einstein. I&#039;d much prefer a committee of Newton, Poincare, Reimann,  Jeans and Ken Dodd. ken to add a note of music-hall bawdiness and keep the show going for hours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being thick as two short planks, I shamelessly read the paper. I&#8217;ve read stuff from Polys, stuff from lowly patent clerks, and even stuff from a guy laying in the gutter, though he did say he was looking at the stars.</p>
<p>&#8220;Seriously though, maybe future scientists will find flaws in either or both of Einstein’s theories of relativity.&#8221; Yes of course, it might even be the case that the wunderkind of CERN are doing just that. I&#8217;m surely not the only one that has noticed a subtle shift back to Lorentzian ideas. Think of the implications of a BEC universe, and BEC particles. Negative refractive index, and phase change at the speed of light.</p>
<p> Back to that paper again. It appears to me, to be in support of Lorentzian relativity, and if I have minor criticisms it&#8217;s that, one, it&#8217;s a little too heavy on the arguments of Popper, and two it merely whets the appetite for more on the nature of the undoubted crisis in physics at the beginning of the twentieth century.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure that Yahweh will turn Peter Haye&#8217;s light bulbs into candles, though even those shouldn&#8217;t be allowed. What I would baulk at, would be if Yahweh went on his hols and left the universal t.v. zapper in the hands of Albert Einstein. I&#8217;d much prefer a committee of Newton, Poincare, Reimann,  Jeans and Ken Dodd. ken to add a note of music-hall bawdiness and keep the show going for hours.</p>
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		<title>By: Francis Sedgemore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francis Sedgemore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 10:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From sports reporter to political &quot;scientist&quot;, eh? It&#039;s a grand world we live in, where our only limitation is our imagination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From sports reporter to political &#8220;scientist&#8221;, eh? It&#8217;s a grand world we live in, where our only limitation is our imagination.</p>
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		<title>By: Gaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 08:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just looked at that photo again. I think we now know where David Icke ended up; the mad hair, piercing gaze, turquoise shirt. It all makes sense: Einstein was an alien lizard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just looked at that photo again. I think we now know where David Icke ended up; the mad hair, piercing gaze, turquoise shirt. It all makes sense: Einstein was an alien lizard.</p>
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		<title>By: SnoopyTheGoon</title>
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		<dc:creator>SnoopyTheGoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 09:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops... now that I look at your post again, in that sentence &quot;In the highlighted research paper&quot; I see the highlighting. Not using reading glasses when prescribed is a sure sign of vanity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops&#8230; now that I look at your post again, in that sentence &#8220;In the highlighted research paper&#8221; I see the highlighting. Not using reading glasses when prescribed is a sure sign of vanity.</p>
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		<title>By: Francis Sedgemore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francis Sedgemore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 15:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Snoopy - The paper was already linked to in my text above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Snoopy &#8211; The paper was already linked to in my text above.</p>
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